Thursday, June 14, 2018

Re: [CRYOLIST] Nature article on Landsat

The return on taxpayer investment is actually much higher if you don't charge.

On Jun 13, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Frank <digbycarsey@comcast.net> wrote:

When you charge for data it is still collected, processed and archived, all with costs, but there is far use and hence far less benefit: that money is wasted and the opportunity to learn lost. 

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From: Benjamin Holt (329B)
To: Theodore A Scambos, Jeffrey Kargel
Cc: tnewman@usgs.gov, cryolist@cryolist.org, GLIMS Mailing List, John Dwyer
Sent: June 13, 2018 at 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [CRYOLIST] Nature article on Landsat
I am a long term user of SAR imagery for sea ice and ocean studies.  Often SAR data sets have been restricted for use for research by the need to
purchase imagery or via data proposals.  Both situations end with up limited data usage. This is compared with open access SAR imagery where oceanic- and
continental- scale research becomes possible.

 

I have become a big fan of Landsat8 data and have published both sea ice and coastal oceans papers using the data, including for brightness temperature
and chlorophyll-a derivations. I would never had touched this data if I had to pay for it.

 

Considering paying for Landsat8 now after is very shortsighted. I suggest that a study also consider the number of scientific papers and usages as well as the impact
to the economy (I heard in a side conversation that this very significant) since Landsat data became freely available.  My guess is that the economic impact would far outweigh any fees.

 

Yes best line:
- don't charge for Landsat data! Doing so won't make money; it will just kill Landsat.

 

Ben

 

Benjamin Holt
Ocean Circulation Group 329B
JPL 300-323
Pasadena CA 91109
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C 818-653-2831

 

 

 

From: CRYOLIST <cryolist-bounces@lists.cryolist.org> on behalf of scambos <teds@nsidc.org>
Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 5:28 PM
To: Jeffrey Kargel <jeffreyskargel@hotmail.com>
Cc: "tnewman@usgs.gov" <tnewman@usgs.gov>, "cryolist@cryolist.org" <cryolist@cryolist.org>, GLIMS Mailing List <glims@nsidc.org>, "Dwyer, John" <dwyer@usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: [CRYOLIST] Nature article on Landsat

 

This is the best line.   Thanks, Jeff. 

 

-Ted 


On Jun 13, 2018, at 5:34 PM, Jeffrey Kargel <jeffreyskargel@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

don't charge for Landsat data! Doing so won't make money; it will just kill Landsat.

 

 

 

Ted Scambos
Senior Research Scientist
National Snow and Ice Data Center 
CIRES, University of Colorado 
1540 30th St  Rm 218
Boulder CO 80303   USA

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